Getting my (R)PAL next week

"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani) 10/31/2020 at 17:11 • Filed to: Gunlopnik

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...and already considering a pistol.

Thinking of getting a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , to be used for IPSC (USPSA) for Classic Division Minor factor.

Anyone with experience with these? They seem to review very well and seem reliable based on what I read so far, and the one I’m looking at has all the bells and whistles yet still cheaper than a Glock:

- Fiber front sight, adjustable rear
- Tunable trigger
- G10 Grips
- Magwell

Although the brand is not that common here with Canada, only found a handful that carry the brand and only one shop with the specific model I want. I can’t afford the fancy STIs, Limcats where all my friends are getting...

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:12

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PAL then RPAL?

CB > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:12

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Uhhhh you need an RPAL for a handgun.

404 - User No Longer Available > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/31/2020 at 17:12

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Both in one shot (pun intended) . Taking a 2- day weekend course.

404 - User No Longer Available > CB 10/31/2020 at 17:13

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I’m getting both at once.

CB > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:15

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Perfect. Sometimes they only offer the PAL course on its own.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:15

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Why do you need a gun? I recommend getting a bromeliad instead!  It will help with the air quality in your home!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CB 10/31/2020 at 17:16

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I thought guns were outlawed in Cannuckistan. What are these PALs and RPALs?

404 - User No Longer Available > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/31/2020 at 17:16

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Well I can’t throw lead at targets, so...

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:17

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You can throw tennis balls at targets! And the good thing is the tennis balls are reusable! Not the case with bullets!

Far more cost-effective!

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/31/2020 at 17:19

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Guns are totally legal

CB > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/31/2020 at 17:21

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PAL is a Possession and Acquisition License. It allows for the holder to purchase and possess non-restricted firearms (long rifles and shotguns).

An RPAL is a Restricted Possession and Acquisition License. It allows for the holder to purchase and possess restricted firearms (which includes handguns*).

Generally, unless grandfathered in, people aren’t allowed prohibited firearms. A list of such can be found in the Criminal Code.

404 - User No Longer Available > CB 10/31/2020 at 17:23

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I heard there’s quite a backlog right now filing the paper work to get the actual licenses.

CB > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:26

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The federal government handles it, there’s always going to be a backlog. Took my buddy a few months to get his.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:26

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My PAL was taken when my car was broken into in may or June. It took months to get a replacement

For Sweden > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/31/2020 at 17:28

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We don't need Miatas either yet here we are

Cash Rewards > For Sweden 10/31/2020 at 17:29

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You shut your mouth

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 17:32

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With so many newer, lighter, accurate options... I’m genuinely curious. Why a 1911?

I’m partial to the Germans and Austrians, so I don’t relate to  the perennial interest in the 1911 designs.  But, I clearly don’t get it.

404 - User No Longer Available > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/31/2020 at 17:40

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I’m used to the action. I actually shoot Marui Hi-Capas right now for IPSC Action Air, which is modeled after the 2011. I do know in production class the CZ Shadow 2 and Glocks are much more common, especially with the slide-cut optics.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/31/2020 at 17:48

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If your car was broken into, why would your license get revoked?

I’ve read a lot of comments here from Canadians about how whacko lax our gun laws are in this country. So I was trolling a wee bit, but I’m surprised to see a Canadian post about purchasing a handgun.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CB 10/31/2020 at 17:49

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That’s way more strict than in the USA, but that’s been covered here more than once. I was surprised to see a Canadian going to buy a handgun.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/31/2020 at 17:50

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It wasn’t revoked just stolen and replaced . I had to have it cancelled and re-issued otherwise someone could have used it to buy a gun or ammo

CB > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/31/2020 at 17:54

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I mean, I have a handgun, but that’s a bit different.

Canadians enjoy guns. Ask anyone between Abbotsford and Sudbury how they feel about gun control, they will more than likely give you a very different response from what you see on here.

MM54 > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 18:05

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Not sure how your laws and such work up there, but it depends on the purpose of it i f you’re gun shopping without something in particular in mind. Carry? You’ll want something smaller and lighter than a 1911. Just a range toy? Get whatever you like, but keep in mind the 1911 is single stack so you’ll spend more time reloading . I like a mid-size Glock for an all-arounder but there are a ton of options.

MM54 > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/31/2020 at 18:06

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(why not both . gif)

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 18:08

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I hav e a love-hate thing with the Glock action... The ex-military guys love that “n0-safety, safety, just kidding” trigger, but the stats on unintended discharges are sobering. Even with the trained police usage.

OTOH, those products out of Ulm seem to hit the right balance, so I’ve gravitated that direction lately.  You get used to the Long Pull, Short Pull thing-- and it makes sense.

No disrespect for the 1911s BTW.  Solid, reliable, proven.  Just curious on your view of the tradeoffs--  some of these light, compact, stacked arrangements are amazing bits of machinery.

CB > MM54 10/31/2020 at 18:16

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Carry is 100% not legal in Canada.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 10/31/2020 at 18:18

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Abbotsford to Sudbury

the blue zone

benn454 > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 18:21

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A 9mm 1911? Sacrilege!

 Seriously though, I've heard Rock Island 1911s are perfectly good guns even though they're only about $500. Hickok45 likes them, and I trust his opinion on 1911s.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 18:35

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Looks at Kentucky laws.

Sucks to suck

404 - User No Longer Available > MM54 10/31/2020 at 18:50

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I’m going for the IPSC Classic division which is restricted to single-stack 1911s. There’s also a capacity limitation of 7-9+1 rounds (caliber, major/minor scoring) , which is 1 short from the legal limit of 10, so it’s pretty fair game. I don’t mind reloading, if anything I actually enjoy those stages with mandatory reloads.

404 - User No Longer Available > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/31/2020 at 18:57

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Stacked actually makes no difference here actually, aside from a wider grip. Our legal limit is actually 10 for any handgun. Only makes a difference if we decide to take our guns across the border to shoot USPSA, then which the guns are uncapped when used with unpegged magazines.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 19:29

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Mag limit in California is also 10, which makes travel back and forth between Tucson and Santa Barbara interesting... Always check your packing list twice if headed westbound.

Arizona and California have two completely different schools of thought on the matter.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 19:33

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I’ve owned a few 1911s over the years; a Colt Gold Cup, a Springfield Armory and now a Charles Daly custom. It started out as a decent shooter out of the box , but after adding a full length guide rod & better sights the groups are impressively tight. Not interested in a full race gun, so no compensator. 9mm is an interesting option I never really considered before. 

404 - User No Longer Available > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2020 at 19:45

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Yeah, I don’t have an unlimited budget to go o pen division either, lol.

I just personally like the 1911 for some reason, and got used to shooting that action. I kind of treat joining IPSC matches as like going to a track day rather than a full blown competition , so I’m not looking to spend top dollar to try to win.

404 - User No Longer Available > benn454 10/31/2020 at 19:53

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That’s what I’m hearing around and lead me to it, and the price-feature ratio is really good.

MM54 > CB 10/31/2020 at 20:12

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Bummer

CB > MM54 10/31/2020 at 20:14

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This is the absolute opposite of a bummer. We’re a civilized country, there’s no need for cowboy fantasies.

404 - User No Longer Available > CB 10/31/2020 at 20:39

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What baffles me though is our rule on replicas being completely banned. I have a hell of a time trying to get airsoft guns and parts (specifically frames and receivers) , and the rule as stated is basically determined by the mood of the CBSA agent that day.

sn4cktimes > CB 10/31/2020 at 20:45

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Agreed. We have less “accidental” shootings because everyone’s not always worried about the “other” person whipping out a gun.

CB > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 20:47

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I mean, I get it. Someone pulls a fake gun with no orange tip, passes it off as a real gun since it looks like a 1911, goes and commits crime with it.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 10/31/2020 at 21:22

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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/suspect-wanted-in-connection-with-armed-robbery-at-pharmacy-in-trail-1.4845407

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/31/2020 at 21:23

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Random-- that’s also the attitude of Canadian Customs over the years too.  

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > MM54 10/31/2020 at 21:25

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404 - User No Longer Available > CB 10/31/2020 at 22:11

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That still doesn’t stop someone doing the same thing with something over 366fps over the arbitrary legal limit ...

DipodomysDeserti > CB 11/01/2020 at 00:24

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Hmmmm... (hatches plan to  run rampant with a toy gun in southern Canada)

That would work out very poorly for someone here. Guess it pays to be uncivilized sometimes.

benn454 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 11/01/2020 at 03:21

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It doesn’t have your photo and name on it? That seems like an oversight.

benn454 > 404 - User No Longer Available 11/01/2020 at 03:25

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You may have already seen this then, but here’s a comparison he did a while back:

404 - User No Longer Available > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 11/01/2020 at 09:37

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On the note of the guide rod, seems like this one already comes with one from the factory.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > benn454 11/01/2020 at 09:43

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It does, but unfortunately you can also buy a gun online

benn454 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 11/01/2020 at 10:48

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I live in Illinois, so we are required (for now possibly, our General Assembly is currently debating whether or not to abolish it) to have something similar called a Firearm Owners Identification, or FOID. Without which, no Illinois resident can legally purchase, possess, transfer, or sell firearms or ammo. Online retailers are supposed to ask us for a picture or our FOID and driver’s license before shipping to an Illinois address.

Literally right after posting my last comment, I bought some .45 ACP online and not once did the site ask for it. So yeah, I totally get it now.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > 404 - User No Longer Available 11/01/2020 at 11:25

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I would love to get my rpal and a Ruger 9mm revolver. Just because 9mm is cheap and accessable.

Ruger makes some interesting firearms. I am super interested in a PC Carbine with a magpul backpacker stock

404 - User No Longer Available > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 11/01/2020 at 11:28

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Yeah, I’m going with 9mm partially due to cost as well, and the more manageable recoil . Though the top competition goes for .38 Super in the Open division, but that stuff cost like 65c per shot...

404 - User No Longer Available > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 11/08/2020 at 16:31

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If you already have the PAL you might as well get the RPAL. The course is basically same as PAL but with a bit more info about transport and ammo, and the “safety” stuff feels more like a driver’s exam.

Oh, and we got a de-pinned Ruger .357 Magnum as the trainer and exam piece. Too bad the semi-auto was some Beretta .22LR target pistol, it messed me up because the controls were exactly the opposite of a 1911.